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	<title>Comments on: Are Atheists Included Under the QUF Umbrella?</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Schogol</title>
		<link>http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/are-atheists-included-under-the-quf-umbrella/comment-page-1/#comment-68652</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Schogol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, words like worship and pray(er) make sense if you change the prepositions.  I don&#039;t gather to worship, I gather in worship.  I don&#039;t come together to pray, I come together in prayer.  In neither case does worship or prayer require an object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, words like worship and pray(er) make sense if you change the prepositions.  I don&#8217;t gather to worship, I gather in worship.  I don&#8217;t come together to pray, I come together in prayer.  In neither case does worship or prayer require an object.</p>
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		<title>By: James Riemermann</title>
		<link>http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/are-atheists-included-under-the-quf-umbrella/comment-page-1/#comment-66799</link>
		<dc:creator>James Riemermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Keith,

I call what Friends do together in our meetings worship because that is the traditional word for our practice, but I don&#039;t use the word in a traditional way, as an intransitive verb (one not requiring an object). I&#039;m not worshipping something, I&#039;m simply engaging in worship. It has parallels to meditation, but is distinct in that it matters very much that we do it together. It is not a solitary but a communal practice, and some of its most striking qualities emerge out of that communal nature.

From the outside it looks like people sitting down together in silence. Occasionally someone is moved to stand and speak. At the end of the hour we shake hands. The incredible spareness of that structure leaves room for a lot to happen, within us and between us. It takes a while to get a feel for it, and some never get a feel for it.

Some theist Friends--not all by any means--might disagree with me, would say that one is truly worshipping only if one is worshipping something,  ideally God. I can live with that disagreement.

So, in my mind what you describe can certainly &quot;qualify as worship,&quot; though if you want to drop by and attend a Friends meeting to see if you like it, I wouldn&#039;t worry about &quot;qualifying.&quot; There are no requirements--show up, take part, see what you think. It&#039;s proven to be very meaningful for me, without having anything to do with God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Keith,</p>
<p>I call what Friends do together in our meetings worship because that is the traditional word for our practice, but I don&#8217;t use the word in a traditional way, as an intransitive verb (one not requiring an object). I&#8217;m not worshipping something, I&#8217;m simply engaging in worship. It has parallels to meditation, but is distinct in that it matters very much that we do it together. It is not a solitary but a communal practice, and some of its most striking qualities emerge out of that communal nature.</p>
<p>From the outside it looks like people sitting down together in silence. Occasionally someone is moved to stand and speak. At the end of the hour we shake hands. The incredible spareness of that structure leaves room for a lot to happen, within us and between us. It takes a while to get a feel for it, and some never get a feel for it.</p>
<p>Some theist Friends&#8211;not all by any means&#8211;might disagree with me, would say that one is truly worshipping only if one is worshipping something,  ideally God. I can live with that disagreement.</p>
<p>So, in my mind what you describe can certainly &#8220;qualify as worship,&#8221; though if you want to drop by and attend a Friends meeting to see if you like it, I wouldn&#8217;t worry about &#8220;qualifying.&#8221; There are no requirements&#8211;show up, take part, see what you think. It&#8217;s proven to be very meaningful for me, without having anything to do with God.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/are-atheists-included-under-the-quf-umbrella/comment-page-1/#comment-66796</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to bring up a topic from the past, but I&#039;m curious as to what ways one would claim atheists worship? Worship typically entails ritual veneration and adoration of a thing. =

As an atheist, the closest I could think of to worship would be marveling at the complexity of the nature world and the emergence of consciousness, as well as a sort of...pride in and awe at the successes and scientific advances of the human race.

I suppose this could be considered worship, though I make no steps towards expressing these things except in discussing them with others. Would this qualify, do you think, as a form of worship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to bring up a topic from the past, but I&#8217;m curious as to what ways one would claim atheists worship? Worship typically entails ritual veneration and adoration of a thing. =</p>
<p>As an atheist, the closest I could think of to worship would be marveling at the complexity of the nature world and the emergence of consciousness, as well as a sort of&#8230;pride in and awe at the successes and scientific advances of the human race.</p>
<p>I suppose this could be considered worship, though I make no steps towards expressing these things except in discussing them with others. Would this qualify, do you think, as a form of worship?</p>
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		<title>By: James Riemermann</title>
		<link>http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/are-atheists-included-under-the-quf-umbrella/comment-page-1/#comment-66326</link>
		<dc:creator>James Riemermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collegeblogger,

I&#039;m not sure what you mean. Nontheist Friends don&#039;t claim to worship a creator, so the contradiction you mention doesn&#039;t come up. There are approaches to worship that aren&#039;t directed toward any specific object, much less a supernatural being, imagined or real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collegeblogger,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean. Nontheist Friends don&#8217;t claim to worship a creator, so the contradiction you mention doesn&#8217;t come up. There are approaches to worship that aren&#8217;t directed toward any specific object, much less a supernatural being, imagined or real.</p>
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		<title>By: collegeblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/are-atheists-included-under-the-quf-umbrella/comment-page-1/#comment-66301</link>
		<dc:creator>collegeblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure anyone can go through the motions and look the part, but how does one worship our creator, if we don&#039;t believe there is one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure anyone can go through the motions and look the part, but how does one worship our creator, if we don&#8217;t believe there is one?</p>
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